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	<title>Comments on: A Strong-Benevolent Christian Identity</title>
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		<title>By: Bev Mitchell</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen Dave! This kind of living does take risks, but what worthwhile behaviour is risk free? Many are afraid of the risk., of course. Even in not too exclusive churches one hears cautionary sermons about not treating with the world.

The way you developed this reminds me of the perennial disconnect between reductionists and integrationists. Reductionists really believe we will eventually be able to explain everything from the ground up, from the fundamental, irreducible bits. Integrationists recognize emergent properties and understand that no matter how many fundamental bits and pieces we know, until we see them all working together, we will never know what will emerge. And, when we do recognize an emergent property, we will be unable to fully understand it by taking it apart. It is a whole thing; a thing unto itself; and a very complex thing. The everyday world is full of such emerged things. That&#039;s life.

Denis Noble has written a little popular-level book on systems biology that gives many examples of this. Biologists are often divided into reductionist-integrationist (systems) camps. The really neat thing about the book, for Christians, is the huge number of statements Noble makes where only a noun or two would need to be changed to come up with a statement applicable to the heart of your message.

The book is &quot;The Music of Life&quot; by Denis Noble]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen Dave! This kind of living does take risks, but what worthwhile behaviour is risk free? Many are afraid of the risk., of course. Even in not too exclusive churches one hears cautionary sermons about not treating with the world.</p>
<p>The way you developed this reminds me of the perennial disconnect between reductionists and integrationists. Reductionists really believe we will eventually be able to explain everything from the ground up, from the fundamental, irreducible bits. Integrationists recognize emergent properties and understand that no matter how many fundamental bits and pieces we know, until we see them all working together, we will never know what will emerge. And, when we do recognize an emergent property, we will be unable to fully understand it by taking it apart. It is a whole thing; a thing unto itself; and a very complex thing. The everyday world is full of such emerged things. That&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>Denis Noble has written a little popular-level book on systems biology that gives many examples of this. Biologists are often divided into reductionist-integrationist (systems) camps. The really neat thing about the book, for Christians, is the huge number of statements Noble makes where only a noun or two would need to be changed to come up with a statement applicable to the heart of your message.</p>
<p>The book is &#8220;The Music of Life&#8221; by Denis Noble</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff K. Clarke</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reblogged this on &lt;a href=&quot;http://jeffkclarke.com/2012/08/25/a-strong-benevolent-christian-identity/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeff K. Clarke&lt;/a&gt; and commented: 
An excellent article by friend and fellow blogger, Dave Csinos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reblogged this on <a href="http://jeffkclarke.com/2012/08/25/a-strong-benevolent-christian-identity/" rel="nofollow">Jeff K. Clarke</a> and commented:<br />
An excellent article by friend and fellow blogger, Dave Csinos.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff K. Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff K. Clarke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent article, Dave. Having a strong Christian identity doesn&#039;t mean we separate ourselves from the world, but move into it with great grace and confidence in th message we hold dear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article, Dave. Having a strong Christian identity doesn&#8217;t mean we separate ourselves from the world, but move into it with great grace and confidence in th message we hold dear.</p>
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